The War against Youtube heats up
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| Anybody else following the battle of TV and youtube? I had no idea that Youtube was actually not very profitable and only makes up 6% of Googles revenue. That's a very small amount considering how huge youtube is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz1dfDTH6Dk Due to that advertisers paying TV stations are not getting all that many views because most people just watch youtube or NetFlix. I had no idea things were getting that bad for TV, not that I've watched TV for the past decade though. |
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| Good. Down with the fake news! |
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| If you enter 'market share streaming versus free to air' into google you get a variety of results. Different news outlets with different interests in each side of the equation push different views. It's one of the hard things about looking for accurate information on the future of free to air tv or almost any commercial trend on google - there is so much biased and sponsored content that finding the truth of the matter is difficult. |
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| Fake news should at this point be renamed to biased news. You can make any issue be driven by agenda if you put enough effort into it. Reality denying at this point, and people pointing out the facts are being called racist. In the UK Brexit started today (or maybe perhaps yesterday since I'm in Japan time zone) It's practically wall to wall coverage about how bad it is going to be, 100% of it. Yet there are lots of people in the comments section (unless they've been disabled) saying "About bloody time" It's one of the hard things about looking for accurate information on the future of free to air tv or almost any commercial trend on google - there is so much biased and sponsored content that finding the truth of the matter is difficult. The fact that TV is dying, it's just a natural course of things, same thing that happened to radio, libraries etc. Something new came along and made it obsolete. As you say, it's hard to find accurate information on a lot of stuff these days as data is starting to be backed by industry. If it's in your interest you'll fight it. TV isn't going to admit it's dying, if they do, it's just going to accelerate their demise, the way they're behaving now isn't exactly helping though. It's ironic because over the years, everyone wages has got lower, you've had to work for less. But now it's affecting them as well, their revenue is also dropping and their reaction is to try to hold onto a monopoly which of course has been slowly slipping away from them in years. Youtube hasn't been all that profitable but it's been good for the world, so much profit from the corporations has been given away practically for free by youtube. They've just woken up and noticed, it's already probably too late. I still find it amusing that some guy in Sweden in his bedroom has a bigger following that most TV stations put together. Trump getting elected really was their final red pill in the coffin moment that they realised they were no longer in control of the flow of information. They seem to really think that if they destroy youtube, that the masses will come back to them. Genie is out the bottle now. Times have changes. Sucks to be them, and serves them right. People like to control, how, where and when what they watch, TV stations can never get that back. |
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| Even if the major players in the media environment are losing ground (Murdoch press for example) - their replacements don't necessarily have yours or my interests at heart. They have their own interest. It is really just more like a change of management. The average pleb like you or I doesn't really notice a huge amount of benefits. |
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| Fake news should at this point be renamed to biased news ALL news is biased one way or another -- if you think something isn't, that just means that they've got the same bias you do. (Even choosing the subject that they do or don't cover is a bias, after all) |
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| Yes xlsior but that is the problem, people have woken up the fact that unbiased facts are not being relayed to them like they believed they should. I don't think we've ever lived in a time where Politicians and the media have so little trust. Everyone can search for anything on google and make their own minds, the people are "out of control". Is one way you could put it, no longer docile and predictable for the people in charge. :) |
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| All news is biased, just as any information condensed and filtered through human beings is by default biased. There's still a big difference between that and outright fabrications. If we're not willing to recognize that distinction then we all get thrown back into the dark ages information-wise because no information from outside sources is even remotely valid anymore. |
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| I am waiting on youtube red for the UK, ~£10\month for ad free youtube and music service.... sign me up. I watche far more youtube than TV these days. |
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| The BBC must be worried, I think it's an understatement to say that the license fee isn't justified anymore. |
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| Everyone can search for anything on google and make their own minds, the people are "out of control". Is one way you could put it, no longer docile and predictable for the people in charge Exactly! And right after trump won they started the "fake news" propaganda, because they realized that even though EVERY news outlet across the planet said Hillary 100% for sure! He won anyway, and i think it totally freaked them out.Like someone said earlier, Trump winning was THE red-pill for normies. When i watched the speech Obama gave with Merkel in germany about "THE HUGE PROBLEM THAT IS FAKE NEWS!!!!" it really sank in that they had lost control. It delighted me to no end :D |
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| Kinda absurd to see a fellow Norwegian be all pro-Trump. You know that the closest local equivalent to Trump and his administration would be something like Vigrid right? |
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| What me? So simply mentioning Trump makes you a supporter now? And even if i was, why is it absurd? You cannot fathom that other people dont follow the leftist politically correct groupthink? Only thing i cared about during the US election was that Hillary lost, thats it. Sure, i had hopes that Trump would do what he said in his speeches, about going against the establishment and all that. Giving the man the benefit of doubt and a few months on the job before demonizing him. But honestly i didnt think he would win with the amount of pro-Hillary propaganda spewing out of every news outlet, thinking that TPTB had made their selection and that was that. My point was really about all the weirdness around this election. The Hillary=Female-Jesus and Trump=Antichrist shite, his subsequent win, "the Russians did it!" and the later "fake news" propaganda being a turning point for many, as they realized the lies they had bought and the complete hypocrisy that is politics. ^ That is what i see as the true red-pill here. But yeah, it did amuse me to watch leftist losers cry in the street, because i enjoy watching peoples world-views break down in front of their eyes. Im funny that way. |
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| What me? So simply mentioning Trump makes you a supporter now? Fair point. And even if i was, why is it absurd? You cannot fathom that other people dont follow the leftist politically correct groupthink? Norwegian Trump supporters are absurd to me because even the US Democrats are orders of magnitude to the right of even the most right-wing Norwegian party. Except for fringe-crazies like the aforementioned Vigrid that is. My point was really about all the weirdness around this election. The Hillary=Female-Jesus and Trump=Antichrist shite, his subsequent win, "the Russians did it!" and the later "fake news" propaganda being a turning point for many, as they realized the lies they had bought and the complete hypocrisy that is politics. I didn't like Hillary one bit. But at least she seemed somewhat sane. Trump by contrast, is demonstrably insane. Just fire up any of his interviews, campaign speeches, tweets or any other public utterings. Straight from the horse's mouth, no leftist-whatever spin necessary. I mean the man can't even form coherent sentences, let alone arguments. But yeah, it did amuse me to watch leftist losers cry in the street, because i enjoy watching peoples world-views break down in front of their eyes. That's nice isn't it. Im funny that way. Indeed. |
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| Norwegian Trump supporters are absurd to me because even the US Democrats are orders of magnitude to the right of even the most right-wing Norwegian party. Except for fringe-crazies like the aforementioned Vigrid that is. Such is the way of the rubber-band effect. For most people, when one side starts to demonize them for their opinions, they have no other recourse then to join the other side.Like being critical of immigration makes you a racist, and thus a non-person open to attack by anyone. This is especially true when your own rulers try to force you to integrate with other cultures, either they are stupid for not knowing that these things take a long time, or they are evil and doing it on purpose to destroy their own countries. IMO political correctness is a mind virus, it creates overly feeling unthinking baby retards. Just what TPTB ordered. That's nice isn't it. Gotta get my laughs from somewhere right? :p |
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| Such is the way of the rubber-band effect. For most people, when one side starts to demonize them for their opinions, they have no other recourse then to join the other side. Like being critical of immigration makes you a racist, and thus a non-person open to attack by anyone. This is especially true when your own rulers try to force you to integrate with other cultures, either they are stupid for not knowing that these things take a long time, or they are evil and doing it on purpose to destroy their own countries. IMO political correctness is a mind virus, it creates overly feeling unthinking baby retards. Just what TPTB ordered. Funny thing is, when global warming really starts to kick in we're likely to see streams of refugees that'll absolutely dwarf the Syria crisis. That's one thing the Trump administration is working actively towards. I don't believe open borders is a sustainable solution myself. Even rich countries like Norway have limited resources, and straining them to the point of collapse helps no one. Integration can take time, even a generation depending on culture, but in my own opinion we have a moral obligation to help if we're able. We won the grand cosmic lottery after all just by being born in the right place. |
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| You can make any issue be driven by agenda if you put enough effort into it. There's a vast difference between bias and deception, though. If we're not willing to recognize that distinction then we all get thrown back into the dark ages information-wise because no information from outside sources is even remotely valid anymore. I've been calling this the misinformation age for years now. even though EVERY news outlet across the planet said Hillary 100% for sure! He won anyway, That's an exaggeration. They actually gave Trump a 2% chance to win. Only thing i cared about during the US election was that Hillary lost, thats it. Same. But that makes you a racist, sexist, bigoted Islamophobe, don'tchaknow. But honestly i didnt think he would win with the amount of pro-Hillary propaganda spewing out of every news outlet, thinking that TPTB had made their selection and that was that. Anyone who stepped out of their echo chambers for a second would have been able to see clearly that the election was not going to be a landslide victory for Clinton, indeed it was going to be very close. Naturally I assumed Clinton would edge it out. The public giving the middle finger to mainstream propaganda (now on multiple occasions) is the single biggest ray of hope for the future of western civilisation. Norwegian Trump supporters are absurd to me because even the US Democrats are orders of magnitude to the right of even the most right-wing Norwegian party. Except for fringe-crazies like the aforementioned Vigrid that is. This should come as no surprise - the Political Compass analysts peg Clinton as further right on the spectrum than Trump. 'Left' is as apt a label as 'Liberals' is for the Australian political party - ie total backwards lunacy. For most people, when one side starts to demonize them for their opinions, they have no other recourse then to join the other side. Hell, it's not a matter of choosing which side you join, any more - every moderate/center leftist is now considered a Nazi - look at Sargon, girlwriteswhat... jesus, even Dave Rubin has most recently been labeled a right wing show - he came from The Young Turks for crying out loud! This is especially true when your own rulers try to force you to integrate with other cultures, either they are stupid for not knowing that these things take a long time, or they are evil and doing it on purpose to destroy their own countries. Look at every single narrative, and every single policy that the social justice groupthink are trying to push on everyone. Look at it all through a Marxist lens. I DARE you to present me with a single narrative of theirs whose ultimate goal doesn't result in the fall of capitalism (spoilers: you can't :) ). when global warming really starts to kick in we're likely to see streams of refugees that'll absolutely dwarf the Syria crisis. Maybe then we won't see survivors of 'war-torn' Syria preferring to return to their homelands because eg Finland is too cold for them. |
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| Also her loss was for the good of the world, and is good for the future of women. Imagine if she'd won. It would be basically. Women! No matter how corrupt you are, no matter how much you lie, take bribes, cheat, defend your criminal husband, flip flop on ideas, break the law, hide it, virtue signal on issues, pander to trends. No matter how awful you are, not to worry, you can be president of the United States and most powerful person in the world, because you are A WOMAN. Look at me I'm president now and I got here without doing anything good, I became president because my husband also was. I'm not even a fan of Trump, but he is anti establishment, which I do support. I'm also a fan of Brexit. The elitists milking the entire world of our wealth and future prospects need to be stopped. I'm all in support of seeing the system get a big shake up. Let's not turn this into Politics. However what I can say is, Hillary Clinton, where is she now? Gone. That's how good she was. She even thought she could fight against Internet Pepe memes.... As soon as everyone realised she wasn't going to be president, they couldn't drop her soon enough. Everyone else on the left, are still in the denial stage. Lunatics. |
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| However what I can say is, Hillary Clinton, where is she now? Gone. To be fair, every time she raises her head (ie to suggest she would run again in 2020) Trump slaps her back down with the old FBI investigation threat. As soon as everyone realised she wasn't going to be president, they couldn't drop her soon enough. Her foundation - receiving 100s of millions of dollars, primarily from Muslim countries - dried up practically overnight, too. Think of all the 'good' that foundation could have done!!! |
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| To be fair, every time she raises her head (ie to suggest she would run again in 2020) Trump slaps her back down with the old FBI investigation threat. I just googled that, any links to that? Think of all the 'good' that foundation could have done!!! Are you being ironic here, or trolling? I can't tell. :) I'm being honest but I don't know much about the foundation. Although I had a quick skim read of this http://www.dailywire.com/news/8561/7-things-you-need-know-about-clinton-foundation-aaron-bandler |
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| all news are not necessarily biased, or at least you can see the difference between an objectively reported fact/action/event and a subjectively reported one "xlsior wrote about his opinion of the bias in some news in the current context" (rather objective) "xlsior demonstrated how news are always distorted in the current context" (rather subjective/distorted) Even rich countries like Norway have limited resources, and straining them to the point of collapse helps no one that's good that you realize that, it means that you think a little with your logic rather than with your emotions in my own opinion we have a moral obligation to help if we're able. why ? have these people ever helped you in some way ? are their views of the world, lifestyle, habits, wants for the future compatible with yours ? (sometimes no, they can be the total opposite (those who give more importance to their religious beliefs and arbitrary rules than observable facts and reason)) We won the grand cosmic lottery after all just by being born in the right place. sometimes you have to look at what your ancestors did and why they did it to understand what is most likely beneficial or harmful for your people (the native ones or at least with the same lifestyle/waytothink/waytoact/values), and what the decisions you make now will impact them long term (do you see wild animals helping their enemies ?) about distorted reported facts/events vs objectively reported facts/events : in one month we will vote for the future president in France, and it is reassuring to see/hear that at least 2 parties explain that only a small percentage of "migrants" are war refugees (i have encountered a few of them which have really ugly scars, so i can't deny they exist, but i feel no obligation to help them or maybe help them but in their countries, not here), but most "migrants" are just opportunists... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJcauBzneSU&t=01m04s i find interesting how some parties ("all human are equal" / "help all humans" proponents) are always more concerned by these poor migrants (which contribute nothing to the works/products/services/system in France and some of them cause damages/aggressions) but never talk about the poverty and difficulties of the native people of France... (will you help a stranger of another country before your own family members ?) I have also noticed how couples of "french people" are now often shown (in tv ads or poster ads) as a native african/arab + a native french, as if the people of france are all like that (only in some parts of big cities) It is like there is an hidden plan to destroy and replace the native people of france with african/arabic people. (i have nothing against african/arabic people, i just prefer when they stay in their countries and try to develop the structures/services/products/systems there.) and i would prefer to pay to help them do that rather than to mix every race/culture of the planet in one big mess. anyway, since in France there has been a constant propaganda about the bad people/good people during world war 2, and since there is no freedom of speech on some subjects (we can't debate about what really (most likely) happened in the past events based on proofs, but a fiction is taught in school to control the population with fear and justify the necessity of "europe" and "open borders" and "all humans are equal and have rights" and all this arbitrary bs. the "all humans are equal, have rights, must be helped" proponents have to realize that what they defend is not better/more fair than the opposite views/wants, it is just a choice. (especially when the socialists in France have killed thousands of people with bombs in foreign countries) anyway make your choice(s) and defend them with power ! |
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| why ? have these people ever helped you in some way ? are their views of the world, lifestyle, habits, wants for the future compatible with yours ? (sometimes no, they can be the total opposite (those who give more importance to their religious beliefs and arbitrary rules than observable facts and reason)) Yeah, I do believe we have a moral obligation. The West is top dog in the world, and it's to a large extent because we have a history of exploiting, enslaving, colonizing, and otherwise walking all over countries in other parts of the world. France alone colonized a good chunk of Africa and the Americas back in the day didn't it? Apart from that, the whole idea that people from famine and war-torn countries need to have helped you first before you'd ever consider extending help to them, qualifies in my view as fairly callous. sometimes you have to look at what your ancestors did and why they did it to understand what is most likely beneficial or harmful for your people (the native ones or at least with the same lifestyle/waytothink/waytoact/values), and what the decisions you make now will impact them long term My ancestors got their jollies off raping and pillaging across Europe, heh. Best not emulate them I think :P (do you see wild animals helping their enemies ?) Enemies? Is that how you see people from other cultures then? |
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| The West is top dog in the world, and it's to a large extent because we have a history of exploiting, enslaving, colonizing, and otherwise walking all over countries in other parts of the world. France alone colonized a good chunk of Africa and the Americas back in the day didn't it? i am not at the top of the world, i still have to work like a slave to earn money to be able to pay to live on a land and in a house. (and if i stop to work i am homeless in a few months) I have not exploited, enslaved, colonized, anybody, i am not part of the people who did what you describe, i don't owe anything to the migrants. (and they did not help me when i was sick or broke if i remember correctly) (especially when you see that the socialists/associations in my country take more care of the migrants than of the native french people... But you may consider this normal...) My ancestors got their jollies off raping and pillaging across Europe, heh. Best not emulate them I think but you are here thanks to them... What if they have let the invaders take your lands, your buildings, your women ? (what is happening right now in europe) I am not saying to go to war against everybody, i am saying to take care of your people first, to defend your interests first, then maybe help the others (in their countries/regions). But apparently you don't care about your roots/ancestors. This is your choice (not the best, just a choice) Enemies? Is that how you see people from other cultures then? it depends on the culture and on the people (and on their view of the world, ways to think/act, values, wants for the future) If they are compatible with mine, good we can cohabit together and help each other, if they are opposite, yes they are my enemies... (even some "french people" are my enemies) There is a never ending war for genes and thoughts, but you don't seem to be aware of that. The choices/words/actions/inactions you make now will have an impact on the future, and don't think that your choices are better than mine, they just are. |
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| If ANYONE thinks THEIR ancestors didn't do despicable things - they are delusional. |
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| ..immigrants wave is direct consequence of western societies mocking all over the place, for quite some time now..as far as Germany is concerned, ill sent them all (immigrants) to Angela Merkel home/family to take care of them as she is the 'smart ass' who opened floodgates without any check in/registration procedures, until it was a bit late..i put no guilt on to immigrants, as they have been just subject of mentioned consequences, on the same way as all issues caused by those who are decision makers and real reason why all this happened on the first place.. |
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| I have never been prouder in the human race than observing the actions of Germany and wider Europe in dealing with the Syrian crises. To me it marks a turning point in how people of dignity treat each other on the world stage. |
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| @skidracer ..generally speaking, i do agree with your statement..i really do..but there is other side of the whole thing, like, over night, you look around place you grow and noticing signboards/newspapers letters/stickers on the streets which shows that its not good to rape woman..woman in skirt is not a prostitute, and so on...so, much as it seems nice, in reality, causing serious social issues to domestic folks...add to that HUGE amount of entirely unregistered entries (thanks to 'mighty' Angela), picture becomes bleak very quickly.. |
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| If ANYONE thinks THEIR ancestors didn't do despicable things despicable according to who ? To your interpretation of what is good and bad ? again it depends what you chose to defend (people/things/views/values/behaviors...) What is "moral" can't be defined objectively, look at what happen in the natural world with animals and tell them how it is wrong to do what they do, use a time machine and go back at the time of your ancestors when they had limited ressources and enemies and threats around them and tell them how it is wrong to do what they do. ill sent them all (immigrants) to Angela Merkel home/family to take care of them +1 it is easy to give lessons of what is right or wrong when you are not concerned/impacted by the choices. i put no guilt on to immigrants, as they have been just subject of mentioned consequences maybe, but same thing for the native people of Germany. This is not their fault if democracy does not exist in their country and they have to deal with the consequences of stupid facist politicians. I have never been prouder in the human race than observing the actions of Germany and wider Europe in dealing with the Syrian crises easy for you, you are not concerned and will not suffer the impact of these choices... |
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| Finnish foreign minister Timo Soini said something to this effect "to see the things he has seen, one has to be pretty cold not to help". And he is part of finnish nationalist party. Although, you don't need to take him seriously, Finland isn't real. -Henri |
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| RemidD - According to anyone alive today and by the standards of the time they lived. EVERYONE had some ancestors somewhere down the line that did something "despicable". |
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| easy for you, you are not concerned and will not suffer the impact of these choices... My local IT industry is 80% immigrant including many native German and I admit sometimes feeling pity for my self and how life is not as I expected it to be. |
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| I have never been prouder in the human race than observing the actions of Germany and wider Europe in dealing with the Syrian crises. To me it marks a turning point in how people of dignity treat each other on the world stage. I'm the opposite. I see the crises invited into once proud European nations and the authoritarian bullying Merkel does of others in the EU and I see only a ray of hope in the slowly growing anti-establishment views of the majority public. |
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| Unfortunately I have to agree with Hotcakes. Merkel is destroying Germany and also Europe due to her idealogy. She and other people like her live in places that have no migrants in there. She does and never will have to deal with and face the problems she is creating. The south of the world has about 100 times more people living in it than Europe and roughly the same in land size. If you take start taking too many, why take those people only and not the others? In other words, it's impossible for everyone to move into Europe. These people should at the very least be trying to solve and fight against the problems of their countries rather than free loading into other countries. Why run away and sponge off the success of another country? Worse still, if you move into another country you should as a matter of common sense, abide by the rules of that country. And if you can't do that, LEARN, and if you can't do that you should LEAVE. Leaving your own country and bringing all your values with and trying to enforce them in your new home. It's basically command and conquer by invite. The Syrian crisis, is indeed just that, but what about the other countries around Syria that have been at war for longer. Why aren't they allowed to flee? On top of that, if you're fleeing your country you should be fleeing to the nearest available country and not Europe. Neighbouring countries are easier to migrate into it and cultural similar. There's also the evidence that 80% of migrants are men and most are economic migrants taking advantage of the situation and being given free money. I would like to consider myself a charitable person but unfortunately you can't save everyone, and even if you tried too, you'll just destroy yourselves in the process. By the way, weekly car bombings and suicide bombers used to be stuff you heard in places like Bagdad and Iraq. But now it's part of the west as well, London, France and Germany. Thanks Merkel, thanks for ruining Europe. You idealogical maniac. This problem will run for decades now, and these people, can't realisticly be sent back. PS We live in an ironic world that speaking out about the totarian rule of Germany through the EU and Brussels, that labels YOU a nazi. |
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| The south of the world has about 100 times more people living in it than Europe and roughly the same in land size. More accurately: there's 510 million people in member countries of the European Union, 740 million on the European continent (10% of Earth's population), and just 800 million in the entire southern hemisphere of the planet. |
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| You sure about the 800 million thing? Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm quite sure that just Africa alone has more than 800 million. Yeah, sorry about that I was just guestimating, but I meant to say 100 times more land size and the population roughly the same, seems I wrote the facts backwards. If that's 740 million like you say, then it's at least a billion Africans and including the rest in the United Arab states and that area. |
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| ..as i pointed out in my previous posts, yes, im confident that 'mama' Merkel, washing out Europe as we know..it is hard to believe that politicians at her position and with all that advisors for anything you could think of, couldn't see a consequence of massive immigration flooding they were allowing without any control.. ..and that is the exactly part which makes me upset..in pure and simple words..intent..why is such thing allowed?? Whats the idea behind such act, which by all means, cant be result of 'innocence' or 'lack of experience' as we are talking about politicians here, with decades of experience in stealling lolipops from children and nuking other nations, and not some teenagers, so, what is the idea behind all this? |
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| What is also interesting is that the governments of the countries which are around Syria and which have a similar culture have apparently not been as generous as some of the governments of europe (without consulting their people, of course, because we are in democracy...), so imo this is clearly an attempt to replace/mix the people of europe to produce a less intelligent population. Maybe the europeans, because of their past history, their knowledge, their views of the world, their values, their customs, are not obedient enough, not docile enough to be good slaves ? (in some countries, especially those dominated by religious nutcases, the people can be controlled more easily, they are ruled by fear, they just repeat and follow. So bring a lot of muslims in europe, to replace the skeptics, the scientific mindsets, the atheists/agnostics, the critics, the philosophers, the comics... (i am not saying that the religious nutcases of europe are less a problem, but at least they have been forced to "evolve" (=to be less stupid)) |
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| Labelling ethnic groups as intelligent or stupid are both signs of prejudice and hatred in my book. |
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| @RemiD My thoughts exactly. IMO more and more people are waking up to the control systems around them and for some reason it seems that white people are among the most of them. And that is the reason for the attempt at diluting europe with what they see as a more manageable populace. Of course there are still white people that buys into that whole ideology and even promote it to their own detriment sadly. I blame PC for this. Just label such ideas as racism and wipe your hands clean, no need to think any further. |
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| What is also interesting is that the governments of the countries which are around Syria and which have a similar culture have apparently not been as generous as some of the governments of europe (without consulting their people, of course, because we are in democracy...) Bullshit. Lebanon hosts approximately 1 million Syrian refugees: http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=122 ... Turkey has about 2.9 million Syrian refugees: http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224 And Jordan has 650,000 refugees: http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=107 All those countries outdo Germany in terms of accepting Syrian refugees, and Germany in turn outdoes any other European nation (except Turkey obviously). Maybe get your facts straight before you piss on those neighbors' efforts? |
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| Labelling ethnic groups as intelligent or stupid are both signs of prejudice and hatred in my book. I don't disagree (at least on the count of prejudice), but as devils advocate, can you name any world class universities operating in a predominately Muslim country? |
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| You sure about the 800 million thing? Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm quite sure that just Africa alone has more than 800 million Africa has 1.2 billion, but part of it is in the northern hemisphere. |
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| Hotcakes, Iran even despite recent sanctions flys in the face of the Muslim inferiority argument and their tertiary education systems are doing them proud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran In a historical context the Arab world built on the best the Greek had to offer and provided the foundation for many areas of modern math, science and medicine. Steve Jobs was son of Syrian refugees. The suggestion that western countries or white people are superior in any shape or form seems like proof of the opposite. |
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| Labelling ethnic groups as intelligent or stupid are both signs of prejudice and hatred in my book. I don't think that's what he meant though. Unfortunately though, entire countries, through either religion, culture, wealth or a combination of all three. That kind of "prejudice" is unfortunately reality. Saying those words, might be considered prejudice or hatred, but we have to face facts here. If you're born for example in North Africa, your access to education and opportunity for employment is very low, as a result of this you will literally become a low skilled or uneducated person, and if you're living in a war torn country, you'll be spending your time looking for food and not dying instead of learning. We're all born absolutely the same, a baby with no skill or value whatsoever. It's in our upbringing and education that we become who are. African Americans and native Africans, they're obviously going to be labelled as they are. That's unfortunately just reality. As a result of that, if you import mass immigration of uneducated people, integrating them into your society on mass is not only problematic but practically impossible. can you name any world class universities operating in a predominately Muslim country? That's not true though since Muslims living in west countries are obviously more successful, again in what I just said, though it's because they're living in lands with opportunity. There are obviously not going to be high class educations such as Universities in a Muslim country. Of all us here were born in Iraq instead of our current country. I can guaranteed none of us would be blitz programmers, even if we are just as intelligent or like minded as we are now. It's not about race or colour, never was. |
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| ..i dont think that intelligence or skills/capabilities are related to any race or ethnic/religious background..Muslims civilization (not one we know today), based on principles of knowledge and faith in God, was indeed, light years ahead of anything western society at that time had (several hundred years, before brothers Wright, performed similar flight tests), in the city, in Africa, called Timbuktu..it was largest university existed and 'currency' for exchange was..books..medicine, astronomy, math, etc, was well advanced and developed there...but as we know, wheel of time is spinning soo..bottom line is..i would not call anyone dumb because of religious orientation or skin color..thats just plain wrong.. ..but its wrong also to change ethnic picture of society by swarming it uncontrollably..thats just equally and plain wrong.. |
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| Bullshit. And how many of those live in designated refugee camps, and will be deported back to syria the instant the country is declared safe? What standards do they live in, and how much money is spent on their well-being? Compared to european countries? I just got this hunch that this comparison isnt very fair. |
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| I think this discussion has run it's course. |
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